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  The END of DISFELLOWSHIPING AS we KNOW IT

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/1cceao2-tcc?si=ort5myfa1w5umksz.

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  https://youtu.be/1cCEAo2-Tcc?si=Ort5myFa1W5UMKsz
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  THANK YOU Steven Unthank

  by cedars in

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  2. scandals

  ohiocowboy has just posted this information on the two other threads dealing with the sudden collapse of the unthank cases.. i don't know steven unthank, but i just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart for having the courage against overwhelming odds to try and bring the watch tower society to justice over their deplorable neglect when it comes to protecting children from abuse and molestation.. steven is a man of justice and integrity who i deeply admire.

  his actions will never be forgotten, and i only hope he can find it within himself to continue his work in whatever avenue may become available in the future.. they have won this battle, but they can never win the war.. .

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  It's just pure gold isn't??? From page 12

  You clearly have an axe to grind with me, and I wish you'd drop it (preferably not near my neck)! You have one opinion, I have another
  
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  NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

  few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

  he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

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  I find it hard watching someone (watchtower examination) who has never been a Witness making videos about Jehovah's Witnesses, I wonder what his motives are
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  NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

  few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

  he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

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  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr

  Few Norwegian religious communities need to worry after the Jehovah's Witnesses verdict, according to legal expert Vibeke Blaker Strand. The verdict against the Watchtower will not trigger an avalanche of new cases.

  Professor Vibeke Blaker Strand believes the Jehovah's Witnesses verdict will stand up in the European Court of Human Rights, unlike human rights expert Dag Øystein Endsjø.

  The verdict It is completely in line with the new Religious Communities Act, which involves stricter regulation of religious communities than before, says Vibeke Blaker Strand, professor at the Department of Public Law at the University of Oslo.

  Jehovah's Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state two years ago after being deprived of state subsidies and registration as a religious community. On Monday, the state was acquitted in the Oslo district court.

  In Vårt Land(=major Norwegian newsoutlet), human rights expert Øistein Endsjø has been critical of the verdict . He has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

  Both Austria and Russia have already been convicted in the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) for this, so then Norway can only join the ranks of countries that have been convicted for not recognizing Jehovah's Witnesses as a religious community, he told the newspaper.

  Vibeke Blaker Strand disagrees. She believes there is a significant difference between the cases mentioned and the current case in Norway.

  Far more invasive in Russia- This judgment does not deprive Jehovah's Witnesses of the opportunity to be a religious community and operate as they wish. This is only about being a publicly registered religious community, which gives them state support and the right to marry, says Blaker Strand.

  In countries like Russia, refusal to register is far more invasive, she points out. There, the activity of Jehovah's Witnesses is prohibited.

  According to the judgement, the Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion practice involves "serious violations of the rights and freedoms of others". Through its guidelines and practice for exclusion, the court believes that Jehovah's Witnesses encourage "to shun members who are ostracized or withdraw, so that with few exceptions they are exposed to social isolation from those remaining in the religious community".(CRITICAL: Dag Øistein Endsjø is professor of religious history at the University of Oslo. He does not think the recent judgment will stand up to the European legal system.)

  https://youtu.be/ZIJ88Qq6xFU

  Generous arrangementJehovah's Witnesses were deprived of grants and registration in reference to the new Religious Communities Act which entered into force on 1 January 2021. With the new law, the state wants to give some signals to religious communities, as Blaker Strand sees it.

  - In the past, we have had a generous financial support scheme that does not make demands on religious communities, but over time, greater attention has been paid to children's and women's rights. With the new law, the authorities must prevent the state from supporting practices that go too far in violating the rights of individuals.

  According to the Religious Communities Act, the state can therefore refuse grants and registration to religious communities that, for example, violate children's rights.

  - That Jehovah's Witnesses are stripped of their registration and denied state funding is just a natural consequence of the direction the Storting has taken, she believes.

  Religious taste policeThe editor-in-chief of Dagen, Vebjørn Selbekk, has on several occasions spoken out critically about the new religious communities act. He believes it gives the authorities "an unpleasant opportunity to act as religious taste police and then punish religious communities financially".

  He therefore believes that the Jehovah's Witnesses case is of fundamental importance:

  "It is not difficult to imagine that other religious communities with teachings and practices that are disputed in an increasingly secular society will also be affected," he wrote in a comment a couple of years ago .(www-dagen-no.translate.goog/meninger/na-ko…)

  Vibeke Blaker Strand understands that the verdict may cause unrest in several religious communities, but believes that very few have cause for concern.

  - The case of Jehovah's Witnesses is an extreme point. It is, among other things, about negative social control of children. It is something other than conservative interpretations of religious texts. I therefore do not believe that this will trigger an avalanche of new cases. With this judgment, there should still be room for a conservative religious community.

  I think the state has a good case in the ECHRJehovah's Witnesses have not yet decided whether they will appeal the verdict to the Court of Appeal. Should the case end up at the top of the legal system, Blaker Strand believes that the state has a good case.

  - It is a judgment that will stand up in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), she says.

  She believes the ECHR will look closely at the state's justification for the new Religious Communities Act.

  - In working with it, the authorities have discussed the importance of religious freedom for religious communities, but also the rights of individuals. When the legislature has considered what they think weighs most heavily, it takes a lot for the ECHR to verify the state. There are many examples of this.(THE STATE: Government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen (th) was the state's legal representative in the trial. Here together with legal assistant and government lawyer Kristin Hallsjø Aarvik.)

  Objective criteriaThe government attorney is satisfied that the district court has acquitted the state.

  - The court attaches particular importance to the fact that the exclusion practice violates children's rights. It violates the right to free expression, which is an important part of freedom of religion. The court also believes that the social isolation that comes with the practice of exclusion, or the fear of being exposed to it, poses a risk of serious damage to children's health and well-being, government lawyer Kristin Hallsjø Aarvik writes to Vårt Land.

  She highlights several aspects of the judgment that have been upheld, including:

  - The court points out that it follows from the ECHR's practice that it is permissible to have arrangements that grant privileges to certain religious communities, as long as these are based on objective criteria, which is the conditions in the Religious Communities Act, she writes.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool April 2024

  by DerekMoors in

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  you know the drill.

  here's an updated chart and i'm using 356 because that's where he's at today.

  please let me know if there's anything you think might be added.

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  345 please
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

  by DerekMoors in

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  for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

  april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

  i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

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  Congrats Derek & Ina
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  How do you know his sister is on benefits
  

  Mike jw, I'm from.the same congregation and yes his family is in the clique and nothing is impossible for them
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I still believe he will come back to daddy elder with the big house in aflouent Wilmslow and live rent free pretending to have mental issues collecting benefits like his sister (many other jws do that at the moment in the area) or do the impossible and reintegrate himself in the Witnesses and get his privileges back in the fast lane (being an elder's son) , these are very possible scenarios.
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  raymond frantz

  The JW’s thought that they could use social media to promote their brand of hatred and not expect to get blowback. Well now they are experiencing it all over the world and like a true American company, they employed consultants to right the ship. The problem is that these negative stories live on forever and when people learn about it, they are outraged as if it just happened. They will really have to pay these consultants tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars to help them. And one thing about consultants, they don’t want a bad name, so when they tell you to jump, you ask how high, otherwise they drop you. And any good consultant will tell them to drop their hated practices. And any good consultant will show them how to sell the change to their sales people. The jubilee year is a brilliant idea.
  
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  Update on Russian ban

  by raymond frantz in

  1. social
  2. current

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/four-jehovah-s-witnesses-sentenced-to-seven-years-each-in-russia.

  the following is an update in relation to the russian ban on jehovah's witnesses as it appeared on reuters on the 30th january .

  jan 30 (reuters) - a russian court has sentenced four jehovah's witnesses to seven years each in prison after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.. .

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  raymond frantz

  When I started attending a different church, my parents never spoke to me again, refused to see their two precioius grandsons when they were born and refused to notify me if a beloved family member got sick etc
  

  Sea Breaze ,I can full relate . My parents had nothing to do with my own 2 children, and never crossed their mind to even call me me to say that my nana died 2 weeks earlier. Jws need help reprogramming by removing the Watchtower with heavy taxation and penalties if they refuse to abide by secular laws on personal feeedoms